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style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>7 Easter B: John
17:6-19 -- exegetical notes</span></font></b></strong><font size=2
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<br>
The Gospel readings for 7 Easter all come from John 17:<br>
Year A—vv. 1-11<br>
Year B—vv. 6-19<br>
Year C—vv. 20-26.<br>
<br>
While the prayer is a unified whole, it is usually given 2 or 3
subsections, based on whom Jesus is praying for: himself, disciples, or
others.<br>
<br>
O’Day’s outline (<em><i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>John,
</span></font></i></em>New Interpreter’s Bible)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>1. Jesus Prays for His Glorification
(17:1-8)<br>
2. Jesus Prays for the Faith Community (17:9-23)<br>
3. Jesus Prays for the Eschatological <st1:place w:st="on">Union</st1:place>
of Father, Son, and Believers (17:24-26)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Brown’s outline (<em><i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>John,
</span></font></i></em>Anchor Bible)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>1. Jesus, having completed his work, prays
for glory (17:1-8)<br>
2. Jesus prays for those whom the Father has given him (17:9-19)<br>
3. Jesus prays for those who believe through the disciples’ word
(17:20-26)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Bultmann’s outline (<em><i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>1. The Petition for Glorification (17:1-5)<br>
2. The Intercession for the Community (17:6-26)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>a) The Founding of the Community (17:6-8)<br>
b) The Petition for the Preservation and Sanctification of the
Community (17:9-19)<br>
c) The Petition for the Oneness of the Community (17:20-23)<br>
d) The Petition for the Perfecting of the Believers (17:24-26)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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ARE “THEY” PAST OR PRESENT BELIEVERS?<br>
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There are different interpretations for the pronouns in this prayer. In
v. 9, Jesus prays <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>for them</span></font></b></strong> (Gk & NIV) = NRSV’s “on
their behalf”. This may refer to the original disciples or to all
present believers.<br>
<br>
Verse 20b has two pronouns: “<strong><b><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>those </span></font></b></strong>believing in
me through <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>their</span></font></b></strong>
word” (v. 20). If <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>“their”</span></font></b></strong> refers to the original
believers, then <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>“those”</span></font></b></strong> refers to all the believers
since the original disciples. We would be part of this group who
believe because of <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>“their,” </span></font></b></strong>that is, the original
disciples’ word. Brown (<em><i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>John, </span></font></i></em>Anchor Bible Commentary) makes this
distinction.<br>
<br>
O’Day (<em><i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>John</span></font></i></em>,
New Interpreters Bible) suggests that v. 9 refers to all believers,
past and present (including us). Then <strong><b><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>“those”</span></font></b></strong> in v. 20
refers to people who are not presently believing, and <strong><b><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>“their”</span></font></b></strong>
refers to all believers, including us. It is through our word that an
unbelieving world may come to believe in Jesus.<br>
<br>
Since our text continues the use of the pronouns “they,” “them,” the
interpreter/preacher needs to decide whether Jesus is praying just for
the original disciples or for all of us believers in these verses. The
second option seems more preachable to me.<br>
<br>
Throughout John, God uses “mediators” to bridge gaps. Jesus comes as
the Word and is between humanity and God. John is a mediator whose
words bring his disciples to Jesus. Andrew is a mediator whose words
bring his brother Peter to Jesus. Philip is a mediator whose words
bring Nathanael to Jesus. The entire gospel is described as a mediator
whose words are written so that the readers may come to believe that
Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God and that through believing they
may have life in his name.<br>
<br>
None of us have come to faith on our own. There were others whose
words—both spoken and acted—brought us to faith in Jesus. However the pronouns
are interpreted, we who believe now, are the ones who have the word
that is necessary to bring others to faith in Jesus.<br>
<br>
AN OVERHEARD PRAYER<br>
<br>
By using a prayer form, both the disciples and readers are outsiders
overhearing Jesus’ words—and it follows the typical pattern of a
farewell discourse. A contrast can be made between this prayer of Jesus
and his prayer at <st1:place w:st="on">Gethsemane</st1:place> in the
Synoptics—both coming just before he is arrested. In the Synoptics
Jesus asks that he might not face the hour of suffering. In John, this
hour of “glory” completes the work God has given him to do (17:4).
There is a different attitude as Jesus approaches his death between the
synoptics and John.<br>
<br>
ΔΙΔΩΜΙ <em><i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>DIDŌMI</span></font></i></em><br>
<br>
17 times in this prayer Jesus uses the word “given” (δίδωμι <em><i><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>didōmi</span></font></i></em>)
-- (3 times in our verses).<br>
<br>
13 times God <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>gives</span></font></b></strong>
something to Jesus<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>people (vv. 2, 6, 6, 9, 12, 24)<br>
glory (vv. 22, 24)<br>
authority (v. 2)<br>
the work (v. 4)<br>
everything (v. 7)<br>
the word (v. 8)<br>
God’s name (v. 11)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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4 times Jesus <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>eternal life (v. 2)<br>
the word (vv. 8, 14)<br>
the glory (v. 22)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Two “gifts” are used in both lists. God gives Jesus “the word” and “the
glory,” which Jesus then gives to us. Two implications: (1) God is the
source of everything for Jesus and for the faith community; and (2) the
relationship between the Father and the Son as illustrated by the
“giving” Father, is the same relationship between the “giving” Jesus
and the faith community. By extension, we are to follow this pattern and
be giving people – giving others the word and whatever else might help
them receive the eternal life that Jesus wants to give them.<br>
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“WHERE” AS A PLACE OF RELATIONSHIP<br>
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The “where” of Jesus’ prayer in v. 24: “Where I am they also might be
with me,” refers more to the relationship with the Father than being at
a particular place. Where Jesus is and where we are to be is “children”
in relationship with the Father. What this implies is that we are to be
in a relationship to receive what the Father/Jesus wants to give us.<br>
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THE DISCIPLES AND THE WORLD<br>
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The word “world” (κόσμος <em><i><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>kosmos</span></font></i></em>) occurs 11
times in our text (17 times in ch. 17). Three different prepositions
are used in terms of our relationship with the world (κόσμος <em><i><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>kosmos</span></font></i></em>).
The quoted definitions come from Lowe and Nida’s Greek-English Lexicon.<br>
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THE FIRST is <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>ἐν
(</span></font></b></strong><em><b><i><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>en</span></font></i></b></em><strong><b><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>)</span></font></b></strong>
(17:11, 11, 13) = “<strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>in</span></font></b></strong> the world”. Defining ἐν (<em><i><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>en</span></font></i></em>)
as “a position on the surface of an area” and defining <em><i><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>kosmos</span></font></i></em>
as “the surface of the earth,” <em><i><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>en + kosmos</span></font></i></em> seems to
mean: “living on the planet.” We continue to live on planet earth, but
Jesus no longer lives here.<br>
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THE SECOND is <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>ἐκ (</span></font></b></strong><em><b><i><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>ek</span></font></i></b></em><strong><b><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>)</span></font></b></strong>
(17:14, 14, 15, 16, 16) = “<strong><b><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>from</span></font></b></strong> the world”.
In vv. 14 & 16 the verb “to be” is used. ἐκ (<em><i><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>ek</span></font></i></em>)
with the verb “to be” can mean “to belong to” as the NRSV translates
it. (The same construction is used in 1C 12:15f about “belonging to” or
“being part of” the body.) ἐκ (<em><i><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>ek</span></font></i></em>) can also refer to
the “source of activity or state”. Neither Jesus nor we are to “belong
to the world” nor “have the world as the source of our activity or
existence.”<br>
<br>
In these cases, I think that the meaning of <em><i><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>kosmos</span></font></i></em> changes. It is
no longer the “surface of the earth,” but one of the following
definitions:<br>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>a. “the system of practices and standards
associated with a secular society (that is, without reference to any
demands or requirements of God)”<br>
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The “world’s standards” are not to be the source of our existence. We
are separated from the “people of the world”.<br>
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